He was one of several producers, which is common for movies with stars like that - if he was involved in the decisionmaking around hiring scabs, then yes he deserves blame for what happened. But the blame would be for working conditions, not pulling the trigger on a prop gun that was handed to him as a "cold gun"
All things that happened because the producers hired and overworked scabs.
...She did? Did you read the article?
Everyone is saying the hosts were encouraging bad gun safety. They were describing a movie set. At the end of the day no matter what these guys talk about some people in this sub need to cry about it. I could give a fuck about Baldwin but it bothers me that everyone is misinterpreting the discussion this morning.
Dude the lead is often a producer, rarely RARELY making production decisions. It's a financial consideration, wasn't his set. At the end of the day, hiring scabs and overworking them led to a death. If Baldwin was part of that decision making process, then THAT makes him culpable.
So prop master, assistant director, other crew members loading real bullets into prop guns - none of them have any culpability. They're all totally not at fault, because at the end of the day every actor in every production ever should disassemble their props like a marine so they can check? You're going out of your way to excuse every single wildly dangerous mistake along the chain so you can say "see? Baldwin bad"
And absolutely every single one of them was outside of Baldwin's hands.
They're not telling people they don't need to check a weapon, they're describing what's happening on a FILM SET. My GOD nobody is willing to admit this - call IATSE and complain to them, call the producers and complain to them. They're describing what happens on a movie set, and describing exactly what happened. You took a gun safety course, good for you - that doesn't mean you're the expert on any situation that involves a gun, especially a movie prop.
No, but I have a functioning brain and the ability to think in grey areas.
That's literally exactly what I'm saying though - it applies to everyone but when you have a propmaster and the phrase "cold gun," that is negotiated and standard practice. The only point of this entire argument is to say that Baldwin and the Power Trip guys are idiots, when this is LITERALLY how it works.
Because of the strike and the producers specifically hiring scabs, yes.
ITT: People who think that movie production is the exact same as hunting, and can't possibly see that there are highly structured rules and regulations on set regarding props, especially dangerous ones.
That's not how it works in film production, again - highly structured rules negotiated by unions. This isn't black and white.
Take that up with IATSE, I'm just providing context around why they were talking about what they were talking about. This is far more complex than "Alec Baldwin is an idiot" because he's literally doing exactly his job.
Dude prop guns can fire real bullets. Especially older guns. For god sakes the fact that the phrase cold gun exists shows that this was a process that wasn’t followed correctly. Not at ALL the fault of Baldwin.
I'm not in films, but when a propmaster hands you a gun and says "COLD GUN" then that indicates the damn process around this. You honestly, honestly think that every actor in every movie or TV show ever is taking a minute to check the chamber? These are established, union negotiated rules. This isn't a gun range. Again, why has this happened twice in 40 years, if it's not an INCREDIBLY measured process?
More listener engagement is my guess
I'm not saying it's the smartest thing, but the people here act like everybody in a Western gets trained in gun safety, when that's really not the case. The propmaster is tasked with ensuring the props are all safe, no matter what they are.
There's a reason this has happened twice in 40 years, and it's not because every actor in Hollywood has gone through gun safety training
There's a reason we hold cops to a higher standard than criminals. Obviously the criminal should be apprehended and held responsible. But again, if the cop has even basic regard for the safety of those in the neighborhood, nobody dies.
Ever worked on a movie with prop guns? It's not a shooting range, it's not a duck blind, it's a film set. It's not the same as a standard gun safety course.
The difference is that on film sets, this isn't standard practice because the propmaster is responsible for all of the props on set, specifically set out in union contracts.
The big issue here is that the producers hired a cut-rate non union crew and were overworking them, to the point that some took to social media a couple of days before the incident to complain about the conditions. Sadly, it was a situation ripe for an accident, it's just extremely unfortunate it was as severe and deadly as it was.
The criminal should and will get charged, and will get escalated charges for the chase. But ultimately a man is alive if the cop didn't act so negligently. The fault of this is far more on the cop than on the Kia Sportage.
Absolutely not - the officer has a responsibility not to needlessly endanger bystanders. If someone robs a bank, that doesn't give the cops the right to open fire in an intersection trying to apprehend them.
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