r/intermittentfasting Jan 25 '22 Gold 1 Helpful 4 Wholesome 3 Bravo! 1 Burning Cash 1 Silver 3

Intermittent fasting and keto, I enjoy being alive again.

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u/Exact-Diver-6076 Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Good for you. Interval eating works with or without keto.

Keto is just the Atkins diet wrapped up in a pseudoscientific philosophy.

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u/ApotheosizedBum Jan 26 '22

I don’t know why, but carbs can trigger like runaway hunger for me. When I’m eating very low carb, daily interruptions can cause me to entirely miss a meal without noticing until much later. That just doesn’t happen on normal carb eating.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

Likewise man. It's the insulin spike carousel, blood sugar goes up, blood sugar goes waaaaay down. At no point is there any long lasting satiety

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '22

So true I had this half loaf bread and I made a pizza out of it for only one side, as soon as I was done I made another one after 30 minutes because it didn't even feel like I had anything ...

And this is like 10am when I break my fast if I had only chose to eat eggs I would have been good for 4hrs

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u/Makememak Jan 26 '22

There's nothing philosophical or pseudo about the science behind this way of eating. Its more likely that the science goes over your head.

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u/Exact-Diver-6076 Jan 26 '22

Interval eating is a "way" of eating that rewires the brain and ensures long-term weight loss if followed.

Keto is just like Atkins or calorie counting or Jenny Craig or intense exercise. When you stop- and all studies show that the vast majority of people DO stop them- the weight will be regained.

The Keto people are currently trying to create a wave they can make money off of. I am suspicious of anyone who had a success post with IF and Keto thrown in together in the headline.

Keto promoters worship the state of ketosis, which is wrong and can be deadly.

This is clearly over YOUR head.

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u/Makememak Jan 26 '22 edited Jan 26 '22

Interval eating is a "way" of eating that rewires the brain and ensures long-term weight loss if followed.

And if they stop? They regain the weight. Just like any other "restriction" diet.

Oh, and if you're going to make claims like "rewires the brain", please provide citations. Otherwise that sounds like BS.

Keto is just like Atkins or calorie counting or Jenny Craig or intense exercise. When you stop- and all studies show that the vast majority of people DO stop them- the weight will be regained.

Funny, that's exactly what happens when you stop IF too. IF merely changes one's eating times. It does nothing to change what one actually eats.

Please provide a citation that shows that they are "just like" each other. Your conclusion is like putting electric cars with ICE cars and claiming that they're the same thing because they're called cars.

A ketogenic diet is a way of eating that focuses on low carb consumption and high fat. To use your own words, "It rewires the brain and ensures long term weight loss if followed". It has nothing to do with CICO, or caloric restriction eating or intense exercise. What makes it a difficult way of eating to follow is the very fact that we live in an industrial food world. Sugar and processed carbs are everywhere, and in everything. It takes motivation (and education about what sugar and processed carbs do to the body) to walk through a supermarket and not succumb to the overwhelming bad food choices everywhere you look. Sugar addiction is real. Carb addiction is real.

The Keto people are currently trying to create a wave they can make money off of. I am suspicious of anyone who had a success post with IF and Keto thrown in together in the headline.

The Keto people? What the hell are you talking about? Idustrial Food wants a piece of this for sure, but Keto is easy to follow, and continue to follow for a lifetime without buying ANY thing promoted by anyone. Low carb high fat foods are absolutely abundant, and nobody needs to buy anything labeled "Keto" to succeed on it.

I agree with you that companies are trying to cash in on Keto by coming up with Keto foods. That's something thats inevitable as profit and greed is a huge motivator for food companies. Remember it was Kellogg who came up with the idea of breakfast food out of a box, promoting it as healthy and we now have stores that are jammed with aisles of high carb/grain foods that still are used to promote health ("Heart Healthy" lol)while actually destroying it. Keto foods mimic non keto foods, and in my mind just perpetuate bad food. A Keto ice cream satisfies but one is just a freezer door away from Haagen Daz and the temptation is too great for most people. Our entire corporate food chain is built around the idea of keeping people eating industrial processed foods and the ingredients in those foods are massive amounts of sugar/carbs/grains/industrial seed oils. A keto way of eating has no nothing to do with that. Nothing.

Keto promoters worship the state of ketosis, which is wrong and can be deadly.

No. Ketoacidosis is deadly. It has nothing to do with Ketosis. Ketosis is the natural state the body is in when it is not overwhelmed by carbs. Ketosis is one way (along with gluconeogensisi) the body produces energy from body fat.

Metabolic Effects of the Very-Low-Carbohydrate Diets: Misunderstood "Villains" of Human Metabolism

Nutritional Ketosis for Weight Management and Reversal of Metabolic Syndrome

This is clearly over YOUR head.

LOL. I think not.

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u/Exact-Diver-6076 Jan 27 '22

The "Keto" diet, really just an Atkins rip-off, does not rewire anything. You keep it up and you will lose weight, sure. But studies show that the vast majority of people quit their diets within five years.

Interval eating programs succeed because they address the hunger impulses in people- impulses that are driven by emotions and NOT the need for energy. In the water-fast periods, the brain gets used to an empty stomach and a low-normal glucose level. And the stomach and GI system shrink down, not having to process food all the time.

Strongly suggest Dr. Hagan's "Breakfast" book which includes a pilot study of a 14/10 approach, and the physiology of food digestion with some historical perspectives.

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u/Makememak Jan 27 '22

You didn't respond to anything I said or refute any of the studies I cited so I'm just going to ignore your reply. End of conversation.

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u/Exact-Diver-6076 Jan 27 '22

Bye. The truth hurts. How much were you paid to take me on?